NGP002: Tokenomics V3

[garrettekinsman]

The New tokenomics proposal is out! Please share comments and feedback here

[spacesmutje]

I do love the burning mechanism, based on network usage of smart missions. 🔥

[Tgood91]

I have positive thoughts on the burning mechanism strictly being used for transfers, tips , and swaps.
The 2035 time-line is preferable to me. As Nodle is a fairly new depin project leaves room for longer term growth!

[spacesmutje]

Thank you for the feedback! Care to elaborate why you'd prefer to cross burning for network services (asset location, click mission, etc) from the list? This would probably have the strongest impact in the forseeable future.

[Tgood91]

include creating rewards for users who hold tokens in the app wallet for a year or more (not staking-based) and incentivizing interactions with business partners or app missions. Realistically speaking, 23B max supply by 2035 is likely. I'd also like to start learning about how the H3 tiles can be more interactive in the future?

[Anderson361036]

Tenho opiniões positivas sobre o mecanismo de queima ser usado exclusivamente para transferências, gorjetas e swaps. O prazo de 2035 é preferível para mim. Como o Nodle é um projeto de depin relativamente novo, deixa espaço para crescimento a longo prazo!

Positivo tbm acredito na proposta, achei um diferencial que ainda não tinha me passado pela cabeça tem todo meu apoio .

[kapa2505]

I have some thoughts about the proposal.
A. My opinion is that Maximum total supply must NOT be flexible but a specific amount, so anyone will know in advance how much tokens will be issued finally. This will give stability and trust to the project. Anyway it’s too early to establish flexibility in the total issue of the tokens as We r not even in the middle of total issuance (according to what we know till now).
B. I agree with the burning mechanism as a general idea.
C. I think the proposal ignores the so called Metcalfe’s law and this is an issue of the system parameters that we adopt for the future. This needs more study.
D. i think a max issuance of 12bil $NODL is a fair one (+5% usage every year to 2030 netwonk assumes that active nodes r something near 100K for now). in my opinion issuance must end at 2030.
D. According to the proposal is there a time limit of issuance? (i think its the end of 2035 for now).

More in app use will be a big boost for the value of the token but its also crusial that All the changes in the proposal will work only if app and network will work always without any issue (or a least any serious one) otherwise nodes may leave the project. That may affect the value of it.
i'm sorry for my english r not so good. thnaks for reading this .

[Electrum1210]

I really appreciate these points they're important ones to raise. I do think that locking in a fixed supply and a clear issuance timeline gives Nodle much-needed clarity which we know is a very important factor in adoption of this tech, but at this early stage, we might need a bit more flexibility to adapt as we grow maybe? It’s a tough balance between transparency and staying agile I guess. We need to be careful about committing too early with the DAO setup I think so we can adjust our strategy as the network evolves. Looking forward to more opinion form others and discussing this out together.

[kapa2505]

I agree with your concerns, but the financial management of the coin requires both burning and reducing the general issuance, as well as specific numbers. For this reason, we must answer the questions: does the time horizon of the end of the issuance (2035) change? What will the final total quantity of the issueance be? Will there be continuous issuance without a time limit? Will there be a reduction in issuance each year or will liquidity be controlled only by burning? we need to know this things before we vote for or against the proposal.
Waiting for some answers pls.

[euejdkckdn]

I feel like the final result should be a native, network token with a fixed amount. No outside network dependency. Going deflationary might solve some of the downward pressure from selling NODL rewards; however, eventually, the contract needs to be fixed for more than just raw tokenomic appeal. Pic related,

@kapa2505.

[ETeissonniere]

To be clear @euejdkckdn the contract minting features are permissioned and granted only to specific contracts. You can easily verify the contracts here https://github.com/nodlecode/rollup or check them on ZKscan 0xBD4372e44c5eE654dd838304006E1f0f69983154.

[ETeissonniere]

As for the other comments in this thread, I think these are all valid points. This proposal seeks to maintain a balance between flexibility and long term clarity. It is my understanding that 5% yearly issuance is significantly lower than the current inflation scheme (especially as inflation in tokenomics v2 is expected to ramp up in current years), with our goal being to become deflationary once sufficient usage of the network happens.

In that sense, the maximum supply shouldn't be much of an issue. In fact, this tokenomics model was largely inspired by that of Ethereum, which also does have such a hard maximum supply but is instead focused on being deflationary under enough usage.

[kapa2505]

beyond my previous comment and to give you some thoughts, here are some points you could consider: a. Reducing the amount of tokens distributed daily to nodes by 25% without changing the overall amount. b. This 25% would go half for applications development and the other half to a pool from which rewards would be given to those who hold the tokens for over a year or more in the app wallet (NOT a staking process.). or (oppionaly) makes more missions or interact with business partners in the app when this becomes possible. c. General isuance will end at 2032 if the if the network growth in the last 2 years (2030, 2031) is below 10% otherwise continue until 2035. after 2035 no tokens will be issued. The burning process is not affected (which is correct as a thought), but only technical adjustments may need to be made to be able to do what we are talking about here.
Increase in fees for transferring amounts outside the app wallet and burning them according to the amount with a minimum of 250 tokens per withdrawal.
Thank you for your patience.

[kapa2505]

a. I mean a reduction in the distributed tokens to the nodes only. Now in the application it says that 842K tokens are reserved and distributed to the nodes every day. (It's not just that much, it's more based on the general issuance today anyway what ever it is) So what is distributed I say should be reduced by 25% and then (in my proposal) i mention where this 25% of the reduction will go.
b. I'm referring to a total growth of 10% over the last two years (and this is flexible enough). This for me is the limit for the issuance of a utility token to continue after 10 of issuance. there must be a limit which also depends on the development (and there for the growth of the project-network) in a utility token. this is my personal opinion.
c. I understand that there is a correct approach to what you are saying and take it into account too but If one imports the seed in a browser extension and moves it to another wallet then let him pay the fees in ETH. certainly 250 tokens is very little compared to the process of having ETH in an account and using them for fees. wallets ask for a minimum of 25 euros for a minimum purchase of ETH. im not sure about it but maybe there is a technical solution for it also. Or maybe if someone just use the in app wallet and not imports the seed in an external one, he will be exempted from claim fees... (just a thought).
Anyway this was not a proposal for the tokenomics. it was just something i ve already told you before as a general suggestion.
Thank you. i really appreciate your comment

[Electrum1210]

At its core, a currency gains value through collective trust, deliberate scarcity, and its practical utility. Regulatory frameworks set the stage, but the real price is determined by countless individual decisions. I believe the 25% reduction should be interpreted as a uniform cut in the daily token issuance for the whole network, not a per-node tweak. This keeps the math simple and preserves scarcity without overcomplicating individual rewards. As for ending token issuance, I think leaning towards a flexible timeline based on network growth, aiming for around 10% (or even 9.5% as a slight margin) to signal when we can conclude sustainably. And when it comes to transfer fees and burning mechanisms, while they can boost in-app activity, I think they need to respect the users’ control over their funds without being too intrusive. In short, I support dynamic, community-approved adjustments that align token issuance with actual network performance, ensuring long-term trust and stability. Sooo! important to gain trust and an understanding of the utility of NODL token. My thoughts all anyway so hope to see more.

[kapa2505]

if thats more convinient I m for to be expressly mentioned in the DAO proposal above that there will be a 25% reduction of the total daily issuance (as a uniform cut in the daily token issuance for the whole). As you mentioned "a currency gains value through collective trust, deliberate scarcity, and its practical utility" i totaly agree with that so all of us i think) r making every effort to make the ppl aware of the token and the network with its applications and its wallet. I think a final issuance end date is needed anyway and the flexibility of issuance is maintained with the condition of growth as the growth rate increases, the issuance can be extended or increased again by voting, but at this early stage there should be a specific limit.
Finally, I think that in this discussion it would be good to encourage other people from ordinary users like me to participate. Maybe they will participate later.
thanks a lot

[spacesmutje]

I think all these points are valid, especially rallying more participants to discuss :)

[kapa2505]

I continue to believe (with more certainty now) that there should be a clear reduction in daily and total issuance and a clear end date for issuance. The existence of a token pool within the network is a valuable prospect as well and this pool can cover various activities in the future with prudence for the good and stability of the network.

[euejdkckdn]

Is the smart envelope really anything more than just an advertising link if all they get is an app download? I'd rather have dapp functionality first over that, personally. That way CEXs will be incentivizes to list us from increased utility, and DEXs can function with us...in general lol.

Also, if there's some sort of way we can incorporate the DAO voting stuff into the native wallet it would motivate people and make for a sticking point on Google.

Just my 2c. Thanks for your time. I enjoyed reading the rest.

[spacesmutje]

Is the smart envelope really anything more than just an advertising link if all they get is an app download? I'd rather have dapp functionality first over that, personally. That way CEXs will be incentivizes to list us from increased utility, and DEXs can function with us...in general lol.

Also, if there's some sort of way we can incorporate the DAO voting stuff into the native wallet it would motivate people and make for a sticking point on Google.

Just my 2c. Thanks for your time. I enjoyed reading the rest.

Smart envelopes have been an amazing instrument to promote the project at events and to onboard people. The smart envelope could contain token and an exclusive nft for event xyz, which creates another amazing experience for community building for example.

What kind of dapp functionality do you have in mind?

Yes, in-app voting is already on the bucket list.

[euejdkckdn]

@spacesmutje thank you, please make sure that investors and potential customers are aware of this is all I would ask of the dev team. This project is big. It's essentially Bluetooth validation. People need to know it for the coming bull market and get involved.

@samuelfinch I'm not trying to be too critical, but I should of said some nice stuff too, you're right. I'm speaking with my money atm instead, since I totally believe in this. Despite other crypto innovations, this project remains unique, because of it's novel only utility. I'll be patient. I appreciate their hard work;

Having said that, the change in networks and now tokenomics is growing old, quickly. What if I leave it for a long period and didn't exchange it for another new token swap? like it makes it look risky as a long-term investment. I'd like it if the next large change, at least to a network is permanent and completely native. These frequent changes kill it. @samuelfinch is hitting on a very strong and likely common sentiment, I believe.

Love you guys. Keep it up. I believe in you and look forward to the vote. Sorry if I seem harsh.

[spacesmutje]

@samuelfinch
" I think the issue is development path in the past year or so seemed all over the place or at least it felt incoherent."

I feel you on this one, the messaging here was not clear enough. But all of the products shipped over the course of the year were crucial for the next big step in the app. Once a framework is in place, it will become easier to add more modules that generate a stronger value proposition for the app, thus a more engaged userbase and growing network.

" We got great tech right now like contentsign and noodles iot infrastructure which I felt they should’ve focused more on by getting more using their services."

This happens, but as this is an enterprise service, the onboarding is not necessarily happening in the communities :)

"I don’t know what Nodles future path looks like, it seems they’re trying to do everything at once but not fully committing to it. Like you said, we got limited wallet features and it’s been so long they should’ve expanded wallet utility."

On it! The amazing app + chain team are working on an amazing experience within the app, building stronger ties between app/wallet and its users. (Next sentence applies here as well)

"We need an updated development roadmap."

The ten year roadmap still stands, we're in phase 2 which is all about growing the userbase, network services and app utility - the direction is still given. But yes, we all love roadmaps and something to look forward to, so maybe we can come up with a quarterly one or sth like it.

"DAO is another example, why not incorporate native app voting in the first place? I get these things take time but it seems to hinder progress a lot more and do more harm than good in the long run."

No disagreement here, but often it*s better to ship and improve the product with the community - as far as the capacity is given. All the bits and pieces that were brought to live over the course of the past year will contribute to the end product where all servces are united in the app. As you stated correctly: things take time.

"My question is if this will be the final time we change tokenonics?"
This is up to the DAO. This first proposal comes from the team, who knows what you come up with in the future. We have many users, many opinions, ideas and sentiments that will come into play. Get used to the idea that these decisions are not in the hands of the team at some point.

It's your network and you can shape it.

"Will devs lose their function to mint tokens eventually?"

Yes. This has been stated in the (hope i'm not mistaken on the who) Resonance Security audit, that this will be subject to governance.

[samuelfinch]

"My question is if this will be the final time we change tokenonics?"

"This is up to the DAO. This first proposal comes from the team, who knows what you come up with in the future. We have many users, many opinions, ideas and sentiments that will come into play. Get used to the idea that these decisions are not in the hands of the team at some point."

So, whales can become the deciding factor? DAO gives the premise of the community voting, and to an extent it does. The reality is, and this is the case for pretty much all projects, whales control the votes. We saw this already with the first DAO proposal. How will we filter and make such proposals that safeguard the interests of the network foremost?

[spacesmutje]

@samuelfinch it's fair. 1 NODL = 1 Vote. Equal opportunities for everyone.

And in general one can assume that holders with a larger stake have a strong interest in making the project succeed. Also, once the DAO opens up creating proposals by the community, the (yet to be elected) Security Council is in place to take counter measures if there are malicious proposals.

[anarchychains]

It's crucial for the Nodle Network to rethink what isn't working well in its current tokenomics. I'm looking forward to seeing this discussion evolve in favor of a more competitive token model. The burn mechanism is important and can be attractive to investors, although we've seen some tokenomics models with burn options—like Ethereum's—that haven't delivered the expected results. Additionally, reducing the FDV can also make the token more appealing to investors. Uai vote Aye.
LFG Nodle 🚀

[markstarkk]

Hello, here are my thoughts.

For me, the crucial part is to increase the utility of the token for people to hold it. I like kapa2505's idea of reducing daily issuance for the nodes and instead creating a pool which would reward holders. That way the issuance numbers stay the same but holders are more rewarded.

There are also other ways that can be achieved - for example on koi finance there is an option to lock your Nodle for one month to get rewards, maybe something similar can be introduced in the Nodle app.

I'm not really clear how the fixed inflation is going to impact daily issuance. Which number is correct - 842k from the app or 2M from the "old" tokenomics daily issuance table for this quarter? I think some more clarity with these numbers is needed.

My other idea is somewhat controversial: what do you guys think about adding ads in the app? It can be an opt-in feature so people who don't want ads are not forced to see them. With the ads revenue the team can do buybacks for burnings and for rewarding active users plus support the development of the app.

[markstarkk]

I really like your pool concept, it's a good way to give in-app rankings meaning and motivate people to move up the ranks.

Regarding utility, it's nice that the coin is getting use-cases in the ecosystem but my reasoning was this: what better utility can the Nodle coin have than to connect it somehow with the mining/collecting operation? We can have another factor for calculating rewards like "Hold meter" which can give a small boost for wallets that are holding and accumulating rewards or for those that didn't claim for some time.

That boost (or penalisation for the opposite) can be miniscule but it would promote holding, tie the token to the app operation and give it another function.

One more thing that I would like to recommend is to have manual review of the huge claim amounts and not have it automated.

I've been active on dexes that trade Nodle and I noticed that big selling pressure came from the accounts that just claimed their tokens (0x0000... address) and that have no other trade history. So for every claim over 100.000 NODL, I would use manual review - if the team notice some irregularities like location dana from Uruguay with VPN from Vanuatu or running multiple cases of the app (like fifty or hundred), just deny those claims and burn the tokens.

I assume there wouldn't be many cases like that to waste team's time but when it happens, blocking it would strengthen the app and network security.

[spacesmutje]

@markstarkk
"We can have another factor for calculating rewards like "Hold meter" which can give a small boost for wallets that are holding and accumulating rewards or for those that didn't claim for some time."

I could imagine that this can possibly handled with the holder ranks. Rank x time = tiered % (capped at 1.5% max), so the longer your wallet holds a certain amount, the higher the % that is added to your locked balance (the one we talked about in the other comment). This is purely theory, but why not.

"....if the team notice some irregularities like location dana from Uruguay with VPN from Vanuatu or running multiple cases of the app"

We got you covered. The app will simply crash when using VPN, proxies, custom ROMs or any other sus activity that could possibly falsify data. The oracle is in place for a good reason :)
The 0x000 address implies that those token are fresh from the bridge and this is nothing you can change. Your funds, your decision. (Your tears when you realize what you did :D )

"I assume there wouldn't be many cases like that to waste team's time but when it happens, blocking it would strengthen the app and network security."
This is what's happening already. You can see comments in the community that complain things are not working on their end after update xyz. This is usually based on enforced safety measurements.

[samuelfinch]

One more thing that I would like to recommend is to have manual review of the huge claim amounts and not have it automated.

not a fan of this personally, it suggests devs/team can freeze addresses and shifts to a centralised coin. This goes against what crypto is fundamentally for, but really like the "hold meter" concept. We have rankings already for holding a certain amount of nodles, those rankings can be NFT's or give perks as rewards, i.e boost in "mining" nodles or slash in fees for utilising nodle coins itself.

[markstarkk]

not a fan of this personally, it suggests devs/team can freeze addresses and shifts to a centralised coin. This goes against what crypto is fundamentally for

No freezing, nothing would be done to that address, only the claim would not go through if it's determined cheated or spoofed.

We already have that system in place where developer options, VPN, root and similar things are punished and not rewarded. This would follow the same logic.

[spacesmutje]

@samuelfinch i'm 100% aligned on this one! freezing accounts is the absolute opposite of decentralized & permissionless.

@markstarkk this is not how things work or should be handled imo. there will always be attempts to "hack" the system, this is something any software developer is facing. from a personal point of view i can follow your line of thought, but when we look at the core values of the network, it's not aligning with it.

The network should be permissionless, borderless, transparent, privacy-preserving and censorship free.

[markstarkk]

I could imagine that this can possibly handled with the holder ranks. Rank x time = tiered % (capped at 1.5% max), so the longer your wallet holds a certain amount, the higher the % that is added to your locked balance (the one we talked about in the other comment). This is purely theory, but why not.

Yeah, I thought more like implement the fourth metric in calculation of real-time reward (so besides time, bluetooth and geo coverage, there will be holding factor as well).

The 0x000 address implies that those token are fresh from the bridge and this is nothing you can change. Your funds, your decision. (Your tears when you realize what you did :D )`

I also thought it was the bridge form polkadot but when you claim on ZKsync, you'll get it from the same 0x000 address. I would track big claim amounts anyways but it's up to the team, ofc.

[spacesmutje]

@markstarkk
"I also thought it was the bridge form polkadot but when you claim on ZKsync, you'll get it from the same 0x000 address. I would track big claim amounts anyways but it's up to the team, ofc."

This could also be the case of SDK partners claiming their rewards. They usually have one key for all deployments which could lead to these claims. The amount of actual active nodes is way higher than the one you find on explorers because of shared developer accounts vs individual accounts.

"Yeah, I thought more like implement the fourth metric in calculation of real-time reward (so besides time, bluetooth and geo coverage, there will be holding factor as well)."

To put this in perspective with prior comments: reducing daily network rewards by 25% and adding incentives for long term holders to earn 2% more.

Let's say the wallet needs to hold 100k (octopus) for at least 30d to unlock the opt-in feature. From that pooint on daily check ups occur and when the balance goes down instead of up (even if it's just for one day) the entire bonus for the month is scrapped.

Just an idea on the how :)

[markstarkk]

To put this in perspective with prior comments: reducing daily network rewards by 25% and adding incentives for long term holders to earn 2% more.
Let's say the wallet needs to hold 100k (octopus) for at least 30d to unlock the opt-in feature. From that pooint on daily check ups occur and when the balance goes down instead of up (even if it's just for one day) the entire bonus for the month is scrapped.
Just an idea on the how :)

I like this a lot.

So pretty much all of participants are in agreement that rewarding the holders is the most important thing that is currently missing from tokenomics.

[spacesmutje]

At least there seems to be some form of consensus here, yes :)

[ETeissonniere]

I completely understand people wanting to get more tokens for holding them, but what would be the benefit to doing so for the network VS focusing on other areas like adding more utility to the token and not over-inflating it?

I am personally not opposed to doing token emissions to holders but it needs to be wrapped into something that supports the network infrastructure and products. Otherwise we are simply opening this to token farming and mercenaries which not desirable actors in the ecosystem.

[markstarkk]

Otherwise we are simply opening this to token farming and mercenaries which not desirable actors in the ecosystem.

What about adding fourth metric in the app "Hold meter"?
I mentioned it earlier, that way everything remains the same only the app will reward active users that are also holders more (at the expense of non-holders).

[calinhozeis]

fazer algo para mais divulgação do projeto .
Um airdrop no intuito de divulgar o projeto.
Aonde YouTuber falam dele .
Ter missões no app
Ter distribuição de prêmios no mapa
( tipo pokémon go)
Divulgar para locadora de carros para fazer um rastreador dos carros

[spacesmutje]

@calinhozeis
For the sake of keeping the discussion streamlined, here's the translation:

do something to publicize the project.
An airdrop to promote the project.
Where YouTubers talk about it.
Have missions in the app
Have prizes distributed on the map
(like pokémon go)
Promote it to car rental companies to make a car tracker

[spacesmutje]

@calinhozeis and here are my follow ups!

"do something to publicize the project."
Care to elaborate? Do you have amazing ideas on how to execute it?

"An airdrop to promote the project."
Users receive rewards to operate the app, not sure how an airdrop would be any different? But I'm always open to change my mind :)

"Where YouTubers talk about it."
Cool idea, pass us a list of accounts the community should reach out to!

"Have missions in the app"
On it!

"Have prizes distributed on the map"
You're absolutely right, the app needs to be more interactive. We had the idea of the "Places NFT" where users can mint their Click of a certain location to the map, giving it exposure and ways to receive tips for it. This can be taken to the next level by hosting activities there (referring to your former comment).

"Promote it to car rental companies to make a car tracker"
Insurance companies etc can even use their own hardware as our software is build with an open architecture so enterprise customers can simply add their fleet to the network.

Thank you very much for your input!

[spacesmutje]

Just a quick last comment. I love the ideas, but they're completely off topic.

[kapa2505]

All these comments are only valuable if the team takes them into account and is formulated in some way in the final proposal. Of course, I am only talking about those that concern the economics of the token. This does not mean that they should be accepted as is. But it should appear that the team took them into account and changed (regarding some of them) its initial proposal.

[michaanthenor]

We do pay attention to the comments and want users to comment so we can add some of the suggestions.

[markstarkk]

I think the numbers from the app are accurate, it was around 1.09m - 20% protocol fee = 842k-ish before the move to ZKsync, but i will clarify and correct if i'm mistaken.

@spacesmutje
Did you manage to check these numbers?

I suspect that 842k is not correct and that we follow v2 tokenomics table judging by increased rewards in the last few quarters on all of my devices + Eliott mentioned planned ramped up inflation in v2 tokenomics.

[kapa2505]

Now daily issuance is 2.035 m. (According to the tokenomics table) So 2.035-20%=1.628 m tokens Kostis Papadakakis24 Απρ 2025, 14:44, ο χρήστης «Mark ***@***.***>» έγραψε: I think the numbers from the app are accurate, it was around 1.09m - 20% protocol fee = 842k-ish before the move to ZKsync, but i will clarify and correct if i'm mistaken. @spacesmutje Did you manage to check these numbers? I suspect that 842k is not correct and that we follow v2 tokenomics table judging by increased rewards in the last few quarters on all of my devices + Eliott mentioned planned ramped up inflation in v2 tokenomics. —Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe.You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[markstarkk]

Now daily issuance is 2.035 m. (According to the tokenomics table) So 2.035-20%=1.628 m

Then I think that we need more significant reduction in daily issuance than we proposed here.
But let's wait for the confirmation.

[kapa2505]

That’s why I said for a 25% reduction in the daily (and of course general) issuance. Kostis Papadakakis24 Απρ 2025, 14:53, ο χρήστης «Mark ***@***.***>» έγραψε: Now daily issuance is 2.035 m. (According to the tokenomics table) So 2.035-20%=1.628 m Then I think that we need more significant reduction in daily issuance than we proposed here. But let's wait for the confirmation. —Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe.You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[codehalo]

An inflation of 5% (450 million tokens) per year is an absolute non-starter.

Your supply cap and inflation is too high.

Why not start off with 1%, and increase the inflation with usage and adoption, as oppose to decreasing it out of desperation?

Start off slowly and LOWLY, and let network usage, adoption, AND governance (when necessary) drive inflation decisions. I don't understand why anyone on the team would think massive inflation and a gargantuan supply is a good thing.

The ideas in the proposal are generally good, but the inflation is a massive turnoff. Look no further than Polkadot to see what massive inflation, poor governance (waiting months for approval to restart a chain - facepalm), and childish marketing will do to great tech.

[spacesmutje]

Thank you for your contribution @codehalo

So, put the inflation aside, you're generally pleased with all other proposed solutions (supply, burning, etc) or do you have comments on this one too?

[codehalo]

@spacesmutje:
The supply should be lower. The burning ideas (via smart missions, etc) are good. These burns (and a frugal inflation rate) are the biggest incentives to retaining commitment to the network right now.

[ETeissonniere]

5% days inflation is still significantly lower than current numbers.

Additionally the focus is on getting deflationary via network usage without making people leave the network because they are no longer getting "enough" tokens.

[Electrum1210]

Prioritizing utility over passive holding makes sense as it aligns incentives with real activity. But if smaller holders are excluded from governance or rewards, the project risk losing core community strength. A well-designed DAO should represent the full spectrum of contributors. Whale impact can be balanced, but only through tokenomics that reflect participation, not just portfolio size. Some very good comments above and insights for me that reflect both participation and investment goals.

[spacesmutje]

@Electrum1210 why are smaller holders excluded from governance? In a DAO the full spectrum can represent themselves, they just have to participate in the governance process.

Re smaller accounts being excluded from possible additional rewards. Why is this a bad thing? Having skin in the game pays out, is fairer towards those with conviction and long term holders, than to distribute additional rewards with a watering can to everyone. If you want to unlock additional perks, you just have to hold and at some point you reach the holder rank that unlocks a perk.

Holding a token is not hard work, especially when they come from running an app :)

[Electrum1210]

Just to clarify, I wasn’t pushing back on rewarding long-term holders, I totaly agree it’s fair and necessary. My point was more about how we can design incentives so that active smaller holders still feel like they have a meaningful place in the DAO process.

I’m not disagreeing that the current approach addresses this to some extent, I just wanted to share thoughts on how we keep the balance right in this proposal. Plenty of good points raised all around, and I definitely agree with your last one - holding a token isn’t hard work, especially when it comes from just running the app.

[rms-nodlers]

Some points that I think are important and thank you for the opportunity to listen to us:
1- I think the burning mechanism is excellent and attractive. I think the 5% rate depends on the usage. If we have a high network adherence, they will start to think it is high, but we have a very high supply and with little adherence as we would like. So I think that initially it could start with 5% and in the future when it reaches a certain amount, decrease it.
2- I just think the supply is exaggerated and it is something that drives investors away, this is something basic and that is often seen, especially because no one enters a project without aiming for profit. I think it could be reduced.
3- The reward mechanism should be mandatory, the more a person is active, the more they will earn. This needs to be clear to users.
4- We need to start using the token as soon as possible, this is something that is driving investors away, not seeing a clear use. Or start with partnerships for smart missions, but start as soon as possible even if everything is not perfect yet.

[rms-nodlers]

@spacesmutje

3- For example, a person, who is a node, is active for 24 hours. If they remain active, the rewards should gradually increase and the app itself should be clear to that person, for example, a reminder "stay active and earn more rewards"
4- I understand, but maybe we should give more visibility and utility to the token, perhaps by partnering with influencers. Also, how about creating the option for a user to create a smart mission, which can be used, for example, by establishments to make deliveries. The person uses the network node to take a package from one place to another and will be paid with the token by whoever created the smart mission, in addition to earning a reward for being active. Or partnerships with insurance companies to use the network node to locate stolen devices.

[codeMGL]

the token can be used for governance, tipping, covering trx fees and can be used for Click services like signing media or participate with the ClickAI agent. there is already a lot to do :)

@spacesmutje can we already do all of that? I've never seen those options appear or been promoted

[spacesmutje]

@codeMGL yes, all of it is already set in place and can be used. It has been promoted on socials and various occasions in the community. Best to check the blog from time to time 🤝

https://mirror.xyz/nodle.eth

[codeMGL]

Thanks @spacesmutje, I haven't checked them in a while. However, could you share the exact blog post that covers one of those? There are too many posts and I can't find them. Thanks again!

[spacesmutje]

@codeMGL

Grab your DID https://mirror.xyz/nodle.eth/Z6twAkLWGk9jucPeNiysHN9jQAlDBKaaJzL938yLJuw

Sign your media, check your discovery page for Click/etc
https://mirror.xyz/nodle.eth/VxHsFoCPXMYSl0qvWZnXPccpHjtKVMaKjh4F4kOlR5M

Submit your personal Clicks to the Ai agent and stand a chance to win token
https://mirror.xyz/nodle.eth/xZ59IiGCNv-6l5E4Yfrd6H_o93_Sw3hUayExXywRmgA

Here's a video on the Click AI contest
https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/10368135-b5ab-4a50-87f3-1c7d0d1c8896

I hope that gives you a rough overview 🤝

[calinhozeis]

Outra ideia para o projeto é ter sistema de pagamento no app para poder pagar um pastel, um café ☕ etc.
Ter cartão 💳. débito/crédito aonde o limite deste cartão é por deixar token Nodle trancado.
Ter sistema de chash back

Sistema parecido com os cartões da crypto.com ou da Bipa

[dinar509]

How to creat the program firmware to router wifi with account wallet person?

[calinhozeis]

Um diferencial nas recompensas para os mais ativos no app. ou com mais tokens em carteira. Ou tipo um NFT pago que dá um booster na mineração

[enfp-gold]

I need your collaboration project with other chains for scale up liquidity on network more environment , more marketing.

[spacesmutje]

Great idea! Promote our network and apps to other projects and pitch them to kick off smart missions in our app.

[codeMGL]

After taking a look at the proposals, here's my point of view:

I agree with @markstarkk, we need to make people hold their tokens, they need to have some utility. So, I propose the following measures:

• Adding a bonus to rewards, based on your in-app level (Ikura, Red King). Every level could add a small percentage in the rewards, maybe even lowering the base rewards could be necessary.
• Staking or pools in the app. Just having rewards for not selling your NODLs

I also agree with @rms-nodlers:

3- The reward mechanism should be mandatory, the more a person is active, the more they will earn. This needs to be clear to users.
4- We need to start using the token as soon as possible, this is something that is driving investors away, not seeing a clear use. Or start with partnerships for smart missions, but start as soon as possible even if everything is not perfect yet.

Maybe I am wrong, but the current situation just attracts people wanting easy money, people that are not interested in the project. People shouldn't be encouraged to collect rewards when they get 100 NODL (at least after their first time), because they would just sell them, lowering the price of the token.

Making the app work well & adding some frontend changes (being able to change the language for example, not a big deal though) will push as well the project. Also, improving the Click app is necessary, specially with the ClickAI agent.

Finally, adding more information about the state of the Massive Network development, the future of Click app, and the next DAOs and proposal.

Thanks for keeping up with the project and letting us share our thoughts!

[Lighting123]

We should make a nodle smart mission where you share your internet connection with people who pay for it. Users of your internet connection pay with nodle tokens to use kind of like helium mobile. That would really drive up the token price.

[codeMGL]

Do you mean sharing your mobile data? I don't know it that's possible or the intent of the Nodle Network

[spacesmutje]

@Lii think this would be the hotspot option, everything else wouldn't make much sense as a regular node is usually moving.

But if you have devices at fixed locations, why not earn with sharing the data plan. At least that's my interpretation, maybe @Lighting123 can elaborate a bit

[phamminh66chuong]

Very good

[rms-nodlers]

I know it's not the scope of the discussion, but if you allow me with the permission of those responsible, to include the ideas below about the token's utilities:

• IoT Loyalty Program for Establishments
  What it would be:Stores and businesses could use Bluetooth sensors to detect nearby Nodle network users and offer discounts, gifts, or cashback in NODL.

Utility for NODL: Act as a loyalty reward currency integrated with the physical presence of users.

• Smart Home Automation with Rewards
  What it would be:Integrate smart home devices (doors, lights, sensors) with the Nodle network.By keeping these devices connected and active on the network, the user earns NODL.

Utility for NODL: Rewards the behavior of "keeping the house connected," creating a real incentive for automation.

• Collaborative location of lost people or pets
  What it would be:People can report that they lost a pet with a Bluetooth tracker, and the Nodle network helps locate it.Upon finding it, those who "ping" the device receive NODL as a reward.

Utility for NODL: Micro-reward system for helping locate something or someone — creating a "community search network."

• Connectivity platform for freelancers
  What it would be:People could register as micro-service providers (e.g., mapping an area with the app on, installing sensors for others, etc.).

Utility for NODL: Used to pay for these microtasks, creating an IoT "gig economy."

• Integration with smart public transportation
  What it would be:Buses and stations can emit Bluetooth signals with real-time status and location—detected by the Nodle network—without the need for GPS in all vehicles.

Utility for NODL: Citizens who contribute to this tracking earn NODL, and governments can pay for the use of this network.

• Verification of assets in logistics networks
  What it would be:Trucks, cargo, and boxes equipped with BLE tags would be detected by the network nodes, allowing collaborative tracking by citizens.

Utility for the NODL: Receiving tokens for confirming the passage of assets through a specific route or region.

• Physical advertising system with engagement
  What it would be:Panels or physical stores could emit BLE signals and offer NODL to those who approach or interact with the location.

Utility for NODL: Advertising model that pays the user for presence or engagement in the real world.

[spacesmutje]

Looks like you should take a look at page 23ff 😄

https://assets.nodle.com/white_paper_4_3

[anarchychains]

Directly from the Confra (BR community call), here are some suggestions from the community:

1. Increase the utility of the token by providing more visible and tangible applications of features like smart missions to generate greater engagement and exposure for the project.
2. Make the app more mainstream-friendly, and create mechanisms to encourage sharing and the adoption of new users to the platform.
3. The possibility of token burning based on demand is excellent, as is the idea of reducing supply, which could have a positive effect on the token’s value and sustainability.
4. Smart missions have not yet been fully realized; we still haven't seen a functional implementation that truly engages the community.
5. Create smart missions that offer badges and rewards to boost user performance, increasing gamification and engagement on the network.

LFG Nodle

[rms-nodlers]

Nice! Let's go nodle! 🚀

[tetnin]

Click also could be used from Rental or Real estate companies ....Providing authenticity of the real estate and its location

[TINCHO1983]

Estaría bueno empezar por agregar un segundo factor en la aplicación de nodle para mejorar su seguridad!

[Bragahvitor]

Com base na discussão, aqui vão algumas ideias para a equipe considerar:

1. Reduzir a Inflação Inicial: Começar com 1-2% de inflação e ajustá-la com base na adoção, como sugeriu o @codehalo, pode ser mais atrativo para investidores.
2. Aumentar a Utilidade do Token: Implementar smart missions funcionais (ex.: rastreamento de ativos, programas de fidelidade) e comunicá-las melhor. Um blog ou vídeo mostrando casos reais de uso seria top!
3. Gamificação no App: Adicionar missões, badges e recompensas visíveis, como sugerido pela comunidade BR, para engajar usuários.
4. Recompensas para Holders: Um “Hold Meter” ou bônus para quem mantém tokens por mais tempo (sem ser staking) pode incentivar a retenção.
5. Marketing Agressivo: Parcerias com influencers, airdrops direcionados e integração com eventos (ex.: smart envelopes com NFTs) podem aumentar a visibilidade.

[Bragahvitor]

Minha Ideia para Evolução e Valorização do Token NODL

1. Utilidade Prática: Tornar o NODL Indispensável
   Para valorizar o token, ele precisa ser usado ativamente na rede e fora dela. A comunidade (ex.: @rms-nodlers, @calinhozeis) destacou a falta de utilidade clara como um obstáculo. Minha ideia é:
   • Smart Missions com Casos Reais:
   • Implementar smart missions funcionais, como rastreamento de ativos (ex.: carros de locadoras, como sugerido por @calinhozeis) e programas de fidelidade IoT (ex.: descontos em lojas via Bluetooth, ideia de @phamminh66chuong).
   • Exemplo: Parcerias com locadoras de carros para rastrear veículos via rede Nodle, com taxas pagas em NODL (parte queimada, parte para nós). Isso cria demanda real pelo token.
   • Impacto: Aumenta a circulação do NODL, atrai empresas e gera valor ao conectar a rede a casos de uso tangíveis.
   • Pagamentos no App:
   • Adicionar um sistema de micropagamentos no app para itens do dia a dia (ex.: pagar um café ou pastel, como sugerido por @calinhozeis). O NODL seria usado como moeda nativa, com taxas de transação (ex.: 5%) parcialmente queimadas.
   • Exemplo: Um usuário paga 10 NODL por um café; 0,5 NODL é queimado, e o comerciante recebe 9,5 NODL. Isso incentiva o uso e reduz a oferta.
   • Impacto: Torna o NODL uma moeda prática, aumentando sua demanda e percepção de valor.
   • Integração com IoT e Web3:
   • Expandir casos de uso como automação residencial (ex.: recompensas por conectar dispositivos smart à rede, ideia de @phamminh66chuong) e integração com outras blockchains para liquidez (sugestão de @anarchychains).
   • Exemplo: Um dispositivo smart (ex.: fechadura) conectado à rede Nodle gera 1 NODL/dia para o usuário, pago por uma empresa de IoT.
   • Impacto: Posiciona o NODL como um token essencial para IoT, atraindo investidores e parceiros.
2. Escassez Controlada: Reduzir Oferta de Forma Dinâmica
   A oferta de 23 bilhões de NODL até 2035 e a inflação de 5% (450M/ano) foram criticadas como altas (@codehalo, @kapa2505). Para valorizar o token, a escassez é crucial. Minha ideia é:
   • Queima Adaptativa:
   • Implementar um mecanismo de queima que ajuste o volume com base no uso da rede, como sugeri na proposta anterior. Exemplo:
   • Queimar 10-20% das taxas de smart missions, transferências e micropagamentos.
   • Garantir que a queima anual seja pelo menos 50% da emissão (ex.: 225M NODL queimados vs. 450M emitidos).
   • Ajustar via DAO: Se a adesão crescer (ex.: 1M de nós ativos), aumentar a queima para 75% da emissão.
   • Impacto: Reduz a oferta circulante, criando pressão deflacionária e valorizando o token, como desejado por @rms-nodlers.
   • Limite de Oferta Mais Rígido:
   • Reduzir a oferta máxima para 15 bilhões até 2032, com emissão encerrada antes de 2035, como sugerido por @kapa2505.
   • Exemplo: Emissão de 300M NODL/ano (3% de inflação) até 2032, com queima agressiva para manter a oferta estável.
   • Impacto: Um limite claro aumenta a confiança dos investidores, evitando o “efeito Polkadot” citado por @codehalo.
   • Incentivos para Holders:
   • Criar um “Hold Meter” (ideia de @markstarkk) que bonifique usuários que mantêm NODL no app por mais de 6 meses com um bônus de 1-2% em recompensas, mas com 20% do bônus queimado.
   • Exemplo: Um usuário com 10.000 NODL recebe 100 NODL de bônus; 20 NODL são queimados, e ele fica com 80 NODL.
   • Impacto: Incentiva a retenção, reduz a oferta e alivia a pressão de venda, valorizando o token.
3. Engajamento Gamificado: Tornar o App Viciante
   A comunidade brasileira (@calinhozeis, @rms-nodlers) pediu um app mais interativo e mainstream. Gamificação pode aumentar a adoção e a retenção de usuários, indireta mas significativamente valorizando o NODL.
   • Missões e Badges:
   • Adicionar missões diárias/semanais no app (ex.: “Conecte 10 dispositivos Bluetooth hoje”, “Participe de uma smart mission”), com recompensas em NODL e badges (NFTs) que dão bônus de mineração, como sugerido por @TINCHO1983.
   • Exemplo: Um badge “Master Node” dá +5% de recompensas por 30 dias, mas exige 100 NODL para mintar (50% queimados).
   • Impacto: Aumenta o engajamento, cria demanda por NODL e reduz a oferta via queima.
   • Mapa Interativo (Estilo Pokémon Go):
   • Implementar um mapa no app onde usuários podem “caçar” prêmios em NODL ou NFTs em locais específicos, como sugerido por @calinhozeis.
   • Exemplo: Um restaurante parceiro oferece 50 NODL para quem visitar e conectar ao seu Bluetooth. Parte da taxa do parceiro (ex.: 10 NODL) é queimada.
   • Impacto: Torna o app divertido, atrai novos usuários e estimula o uso do token.
   • Rankings e Recompensas:
   • Criar rankings no app (ex.: “Top 100 Nós da Semana”) com recompensas extras em NODL para os mais ativos, como sugerido por @markstarkk.
   • Exemplo: O top 1 ganha 1.000 NODL, mas 200 NODL são queimados.
   • Impacto: Incentiva competição saudável e reduz a oferta circulante.
4. Marketing Estratégico: Aumentar Visibilidade e Adoção
   Sem visibilidade, mesmo o melhor token não valoriza. A Confra BR (@calinhozeis, @rms-nodlers) pediu mais divulgação, e concordo que o Nodle precisa de um marketing agressivo.
   • Parcerias com Influencers e Eventos:
   • Contratar YouTubers e TikTokers (especialmente no Brasil, onde a comunidade é ativa) para promover o Nodle, como sugerido por @calinhozeis.
   • Usar smart envelopes (mencionados por @spacesmutje) em eventos, oferecendo NODL e NFTs exclusivos para novos usuários.
   • Exemplo: Um YouTuber faz um tutorial sobre “Como ganhar NODL com o app” e distribui 500 NODL via airdrop para quem baixar o app.
   • Impacto: Aumenta a base de usuários, elevando a demanda por NODL.
   • Airdrops Direcionados:
   • Fazer airdrops para comunidades Web3 e IoT, exigindo ações como completar uma smart mission ou compartilhar o app, como sugerido por @calinhozeis.
   • Exemplo: 1M NODL distribuídos para 10.000 novos usuários que completarem 3 missões no app, com 10% do valor queimado.
   • Impacto: Atrai usuários engajados e controla a oferta.
   • Roadmap Claro e Comunicação:
   • Publicar um roadmap trimestral detalhado (sugestão de @samuelfinch) e comunicar avanços regularmente via blog (mirror.xyz/nodle.eth) e X.
   • Exemplo: Um post mensal mostrando “X smart missions completadas, Y NODL queimados” aumenta a transparência.
   • Impacto: Gera confiança e atrai investidores, valorizando o token

[rms-nodlers]

Very nice, I agree with everything! @spacesmutje look here! We all want Nodle to progress! Because we believe in the team and the potential we have!

[anshor94]

To the Mooooonn 🚀