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Copilot AI commented Nov 21, 2025

Plan: Clarify Step Notation Syntax in OCPS 1.0

Based on research into pre-existing implementations:

Findings:

  • Vixie cron (OCPS 1.0 baseline): Does NOT allow /30 - requires */30 or range/step
  • Cronie (Vixie fork): Does NOT allow /30 alone
  • Quartz/Spring: DOES allow /30 (treats as 0/30)
  • Vixie cron FEATURES documentation: Only shows examples with wildcards (*/N) and proper ranges (10-16/2), no single-value step notation like 10/10
  • Vixie cron source code analysis (entry.c): Parser returns immediately after processing a single number (not followed by -), so it never checks for / step. This means single-value step notation like 0/15 is NOT supported in Vixie cron.

Conclusion:
OCPS 1.0 explicitly disallows invalid step notation syntax to maintain strict Vixie cron compatibility:

  • /30 syntax (step without preceding wildcard or range) is invalid
  • 0/15 syntax (single value before step) is invalid - Vixie treats 0 as a single value and ignores /15
  • 10/10 syntax (single value is not a proper range A-B) is invalid

Valid forms: */30 (wildcard + step) or 10-50/10 (range with both endpoints + step)

Changes Made:

  • Added "Invalid Step Syntax" section in error handling that explicitly rejects /30, 0/15, and 10/10 patterns
  • Clarified that / character MUST be preceded by either * or a range in the form A-B where both A and B are specified
  • Bumped revision to 2 and updated revision history

Tasks:

  • Research pre-existing implementations behavior
  • Update OCPS 1.0 specification to clarify step notation requirements
  • Add explicit rule that step notation must follow either * or a range
  • Add example of invalid syntax (/30) to error handling section
  • Address code review feedback for clarity
  • Verify no conflicts with other specification sections
  • Bump revision number to 2 and update revision history
  • Tone down changes per maintainer feedback - keep only Invalid Step Syntax section changes
  • Clarify that single-value step notation (e.g., 10/10) is also invalid
  • Clarify that 0/15 single-value step notation is also invalid per Vixie source code analysis
Original prompt

Some implementations seem to allow omitting * when using steps, like /30 * * * * * . Figure out if this should be allowed or disallowed according to pre-existing implementations, and suggest a change of ocps if needed.


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Copilot AI changed the title [WIP] Investigate step omission in cron expressions Clarify step notation syntax requirements in OCPS 1.0 Nov 21, 2025
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Hexagon commented Nov 21, 2025

@copilot bump the revision in 1.0

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Copilot AI commented Nov 21, 2025

@copilot bump the revision in 1.0

Updated to Revision 2 with date 2025-11-21 and added revision history entry. Commit d5b6de3

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Hexagon commented Nov 21, 2025

I'll leave this open for discussion for a couple of weeks

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Hexagon commented Nov 21, 2025

@copilot the change in "invalid step syntax"-section should be enough, tone down the other two changes

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Copilot AI commented Nov 21, 2025

@copilot the change in "invalid step syntax"-section should be enough, tone down the other two changes

Reverted the Step character table description and section 5.1.3 to be closer to original. Kept the "Invalid Step Syntax" section with explicit /30 rule. Commit 29104ea

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Hexagon commented Nov 21, 2025

@copilot clarify if a single value as starting point (such as 10/10) should be allowed in addition of wildcard and range

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Copilot AI commented Nov 21, 2025

@copilot clarify if a single value as starting point (such as 10/10) should be allowed in addition of wildcard and range

Clarified that single-value step notation like 10/10 is invalid. The spec now explicitly requires / to be preceded by either * or a proper range A-B where both A and B are specified. Valid: */30 or 10-50/10. Invalid: /30 or 10/10. Commit ebf99e7

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Hexagon commented Nov 21, 2025

@copilot clarify if 0/15 should be allowed in addition to */15 while keeping the Vixie/cronie baseline intact

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Copilot AI commented Nov 21, 2025

@copilot clarify if 0/15 should be allowed in addition to */15 while keeping the Vixie/cronie baseline intact

Analyzed Vixie cron source code (entry.c). The parser returns immediately after processing a single number not followed by -, so it never checks for / step. This means 0/15 is NOT supported in Vixie cron. The spec now explicitly lists 0/15 as invalid alongside /30 and 10/10. Valid: */15 or 0-59/15. Invalid: /15, 0/15, 10/15. Commit ad96a83

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Hexagon commented Nov 21, 2025

@copilot Cronie does actually seem to allow a single number in A for A/B, from the crontab manpage:

 NOTES
As noted above, skip values only operate within the time period they\'re
attached to. For example, specifying "0/35" for the minute field of a
crontab entry won\'t cause that entry to be executed every 35 minutes;
instead, it will be executed twice every hour, at 0 and 35 minutes past.
For more fine-grained control you can do something like this:

Investigate https://github.com/cronie-crond/cronie and allow 0/15 if that's the case, also check how cronie handles 10/15 and /15

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Copilot AI commented Nov 21, 2025

@copilot Cronie does actually seem to allow a single number in A for A/B, from the crontab manpage:

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Investigated cronie source code (src/entry.c, master branch). The parser's R_NUM1 state only checks for -, ~, or separators after a single number - NOT /. When it encounters / after a single number like 0, it returns EOF (error).

The cronie man page mentions 0/35 in the NOTES section, but the actual parser implementation does NOT support this syntax. The man page appears to describe hypothetical behavior or may be documentation error.

Tested paths through state machine:

  • */15: ✅ R_START→R_AST→R_STEP (supported)
  • 0-59/15: ✅ R_START→R_NUM1→R_RANGE→R_RANGE_NUM2→R_STEP (supported)
  • 0/15: ❌ R_START→R_NUM1→EOF (NOT supported - no / check in R_NUM1)
  • /15: ❌ R_START→EOF (NOT supported)

Conclusion: Current spec is correct. Both Vixie and cronie implementations reject 0/15. No changes needed.

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